Phishing, AI Scams, and the Ever-Intensifying Cybersecurity War | Antonio Pagano, Ep 23

“Most of the security breaches are coming from there. There's a lot in cyber security, but we see a lot of pressure in the technical part of cyber security—firewalls and networking and prevention systems that prevent attacks. But we are focused on the human part of the equation.”

On how AI is making phishing attacks more sophisticated

“One of the signs of a phishing email is the grammar or how well written the email was. Some of these malicious actors are not native in the language they're attacking, but with AI, they cannot only translate the message but make it sound natural. That makes things harder.”

On bootstrapping Symbol Security for six years without venture funding

“Sometimes the constraints create the opportunity to find ways to do things. Not having a lot of cash makes you think about how to efficiently do things. Sometimes what you don't get gets you something.”

“I think it's a failure when you don't learn from what you're doing. But if you take the input that you're getting and making that feedback get to your app, then you are learning, you're growing, and it's not like you lost what you've done.”

On why he pursued an MBA eight years into running Wano

“Whenever we are not in a position to learn, it's hard that anybody will teach us anything. You cannot think that the idea that you're putting out on the market is correct. It's a fact that you have to validate it, you have to learn from the market, you have to incorporate what you learn and take that with humility.”